[00:00:02] Speaker A: Ever since you can remember, you felt something in your chest telling you to move, to love, to speak, to try.
Day after day, you pretend you don't hear calling, or maybe you dismiss it as silliness or worse, but it's there, ready for you, and it will wait for you as long as you need.
My name is Johnny G and I invite you to join me on a journey of awakening as we dare to embrace our light. This is refractive.
Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Refractive. I'm your host, Johnny G. Today I'm welcoming Jody King to the podcast. She is a professional artist and a self proclaimed wild woman. Jodi didn't start painting until her mid thirties, but what came out of an inspiration to just give it a try ended up being remarkable. Today, she has hundreds of paintings sold and has gathered a global audience. She's worked with thousands of artists around the world. She's a successful entrepreneur, mentor, and speaker. And she's on a mission to help others discover spiritual growth through the healing power of art. And as you all know, that's our sweet spot here. So welcome, Jodi. It's wonderful to have you with us.
[00:01:28] Speaker B: Such an honor to be here. Can't wait to get into this conversation.
[00:01:32] Speaker A: Yes. You know, the idea of creativity and spirituality is really important for me. Early on my spiritual awakening path, I had come to this aha. Moment that one of my primary responsibilities on this earth in this life is to harness creative energy. And there's a million ways to do that, from reproducing to creating art to dancing. Right? There's just so much opportunity for it. And so when I saw you and your story and how you use your art and your creativity, not only to thrive, but to grow your inner life, I was like, oh, this is somebody that belongs on refractive.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: Oh, I couldn't agree more. I think this is a perfect fit. And I think what surprised me, at least, is that most people don't consider themselves creative. And I think I would have put myself in that same box. So it's not uncommon. But there's, there was a study done when they went into kindergarten classrooms, and they said, now this, there's artists and there's creative, but I'm going somewhere with this. So they asked kindergarteners, everyone here who's an artist, raise your hand. And 100% of the kids raise their hand, and then, right, and then they went into, I remember third or fourth grade asked the same question, and half of the kids raised their hand, and then they went into middle school, and only one child raised their hand. And so there's something, some sort of, whether it's inward or it's an outward filtration process that begins to happen to us very young, where we are, we put ourselves, or somebody puts us in buckets of where these are the creative kids and these are the non, and we buy into it. And the truth is, we are all inherently creative.
In my belief system, it makes sense because we are created from source spirit, however. So how could we not be. How could we not be creative, right. It's just gonna look differently for everyone.
[00:03:56] Speaker A: Yes. You couldn't not be creative. Right, exactly. You know, my mom is one of these, one of these people. So you and I both, you know, we mentioned that we're both from South Louisiana, and my mom is one of those people who says, oh, I don't have a creative bone in my body. I don't have any artistic talent. I can't do all of that. But she'll stand over that stove for the, you know, or she'll go to. She'll go to Michael's and buy, you know, get flowers for flower arranging and, like, you know, like, come on. She loves to shop, right. Just looking through fabrics and, you know, and textiles and furniture, like, there's like, you can't not be creative. It just spills out of you all day long.
[00:04:43] Speaker B: Absolutely. And for those who would deem themselves not creative, and they're like, let's just say somebody says, well, I don't cook, and I don't like to paint, and I don't dance and I don't. They can go down the list of things. I don't this. I don't. That.
The thing is, is that I don't think we can deny a part of ourselves and still feel whole, in my experience. So if, because some people I feel like, are determined to hold on to that, I'm not creative label, maybe they're an engineer, or maybe they're an accountant, or maybe they're like, whatever their profession might be, and they're just like, I'm telling you, I'm not creative. I would really encourage them to look at the places in their life where they could feel, I think an engineer is. I don't know what the hell they do, but I can tell you they're very creative, and I could never do what they do, but I would encourage people to look at their lives and really acknowledge where they truly are being in creative so that we don't deny that that piece of ourselves that is within all of us.
[00:06:00] Speaker A: Yes, I mean, literally, you know, just having a conversation on the phone is a magnificent act of creation. You know, choosing your words, you know, like picking out a greeting card for someone, is an act of creation. Like, it's. There's. You can't not create 24 hours a day.
[00:06:20] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:06:23] Speaker A: You tie.
You tie the.
You tie your creative power to your spiritual growth, and I love that. I'd love to hear your perspective on how you connect spiritual growth with harnessing your creative power.
[00:06:43] Speaker B: Okay, such a good question. So the reason I. Well, first of all, let me just say that when I first started painting, I did not tie them together at all. I was just. There was something within me. I didn't start. I didn't pick up a paintbrush. So I was 35, and I had no desire to. I had danced as a child, so that I felt like that was kind of my creative expression, although I wouldn't have said it at the time, but when I was 35, I picked up a paintbrush just because I just intuitively wanted to. And it was a time in my life where I had younger, young daughters at home, and I was raising kids, and I was also an entrepreneur and also as a wife, and I was also a daughter, and I was also a friend. And, like, all of these, uh, these labels of, like, who I was, and I was pouring into other people all the time. Right? And then something intuitively said, pick up a paintbrush.
So for me, that feels like intuition, especially, you know, in hindsight. And as I started painting, I realized the things that I was painting, or rather, that I wanted to paint at the time, was I wanted to paint, you know, women. So I wanted to paint figures, and I wanted to put, like, write on the painting or somehow put letters on the painting that spelled out a sentence or a word or something. And that was. That came to me at a time in my life where I didn't feel like I had much of a life of, like, my own. It was really. It really belonged to other people. And I'm not. I don't say that's bad. It was where I was at the time. But I did need. I did need that for myself. And years later, when I really decided I wanted to truly make this, I wanted to elevate my art because I didn't have any formal education in art training. When I decided to get a mentor, she asked me, one of the first questions she asked me is, why do I paint?
And I was. I was like, well, I paint because it's fun, and I find it relaxing, and it's time for me. And she said, okay, well, why. Why not dance? You know, she knows it's dancer. We talked about it. Why not gardening? You know, why not cooking? You're from Louisiana. Why not that? Why painting? Why that? And at first, it irritated me that I was needing to dig to find that answer, because why couldn't just having a good time be enough? Yeah, but really, you know, remember, I wanted to elevate my art. And so what I came to after weeks of digging was I didn't feel like I, from a very young age, did not feel like I was seen or heard. And so having a painting, having a physical representation on the outside of me felt like I mattered. And it felt like my voice was there and I was being seen and I was heard. And so when I realized that, when we got on a call and I said, I think I found what it is, and she was so excited, and I was not excited about that at all, I thought, that is so pathetic that it felt selfish, like I need to be seen and heard. It felt very selfish. Now I realize that's everyone's basic need, right? It's to be seen and heard. I just happened to have the gift of finding that out about myself through art and through this process. I was so grateful that I stayed with that, with the why around it. And I think that it's the case for so many artists, especially the ones that I work with, that come to me. We do workshops or we do it online. Whatever it might be is there is an inherent need to be seen and heard, and we don't want it to be ugly like we want to. There's a way to be. Cause you can just fully express yourself on a canvas, and it is buggly. It is not attractive. We want to be able to express ourselves, and we really wanted to turn it into something that we're proud of. And that, to me, is the biggest reflection of our lives. We can go through, like your story, right. You can go through such terrible, horrible things. But if we can turn it into something that we're really proud of and it gives us purpose.
So that's why I linked the spirituality with the. With the art.
[00:11:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And so what. What do you think has surprised you along the way?
[00:11:40] Speaker B: What surprises me often is what's on the inside that comes out on the outside.
[00:11:45] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:11:46] Speaker B: That I didn't realize was there. So I had a teacher when I was a 13 years old or 14 years old. I was a freshman in high school.
And every day that we got to class, he said, that for the first ten minutes of the class, we were going to write. And that now it's called, okay, I can't remember. Anyway, it'll come to me. But we were supposed to really not pick up our pen very much, so we just had to stream of consciousness. Sorry, there it is. Stream of consciousness writing. Now, I know that's what it's called. He didn't call it that, but. So we would sit down for ten minutes and we would just write whatever's on our mind. If we were like, I don't know what to write. You write, I don't know what to write. And what the train that training did is it helped me to take what was on the inside of my body and to turn it around and put it on the outside of my body in an un. In an unfiltered way.
So what you were asking what surprises me. So now I use the same thing. It's just instead of a pen and paper, I'm using paint or. Or, you know, using charcoal or whatever it might be. And sometimes the things that come out of me surprise me, you know, like, it could be a lot of profanity, which maybe doesn't surprise me that much.
[00:13:17] Speaker A: That's just Tuesday.
[00:13:19] Speaker B: That's just a random Tuesday. But, you know, sometimes I'll write things and I'll be like, oh, I really didn't realize that I felt that strongly about that. I didn't realize that that hurt as much as it hurt, so. And sometimes I'm surprised, you know, when there's phallic symbols on the painting or, you know, whatever is kind of mirroring back to me. I'm surprised all the time. And I work really, really. I wouldn't say a work. I really try to be very conscious of not self editing, because when you see some of the art of the greats, it is so unedited. It is just a free expression.
[00:14:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. You know, I arrived at my.
I don't know, I guess I ended up on my spiritual journey as a part of my work in twelve step recovery.
And as a part of that, there is an inventorying process that happens.
And one of the things that I learned that shocked me, and it sounds parallel to you about, like, what's inside comes out and you had no idea it was there, was that I was rageful.
I had no clue. I swear to you. I swear to you, if you would have told me that I was an angry person, I would be shocked. And I would be like, how could you think that? Like, I've only raised my voice, like, fewer times than I can count on my fingers in my entire life, since adolescence. Right. Like, I don't. I'm not angry. And there was so much rage inside of me, I had no clue. And it's.
[00:15:13] Speaker B: I can completely relate to that.
[00:15:15] Speaker A: Oh, my God.
[00:15:16] Speaker B: Because rage. Because rage. I don't know, for you, but for me, that's the same thing that happened with me.
And it's because rage wasn't safe.
[00:15:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:27] Speaker B: You know, as a child, that was. That if I raged bad things are gonna happen to me. Right. So we. We stuff it and. Yeah. So very similar to your.
Your experience. I had so much rage inside of me.
[00:15:43] Speaker A: That's right. You know, there was a person in my early life who was outwardly rageful. And it was so scary for me as a kid that. Yeah, it's just there's this kind of understanding of it's not okay to behave that way. Like, I don't want to scare people. I want people to want to be around me. So I can't do that, you know?
[00:16:10] Speaker B: Right.
[00:16:10] Speaker A: Among other reasons. Right. Among other motivations for hiding it, but. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. No, that's.
[00:16:16] Speaker B: And then when you. And then when you. When you realized you had that much rage, what did you do with it?
[00:16:23] Speaker A: Things got dark. Things got dark. Right. Because the whole point is to let it out. And so through the process of kind of this twelve step inventorying, you know, I didn't necessarily, like, scream into pillows or, uh, you know, paint big tableaus or anything like that. Um, but it was this idea of coming to grips with how my rage manifests in my life. So what I discovered was that, number one, I was a gossip, and I didn't think I was a gossip, but, like, what would happen is somebody at work would make me angry, and I would go around to everyone and, like, in this. In this, under the COVID of being helpful, quote unquote, I would say, oh, marsha's having a rough day today. It'd be best to kind of just steer clear of her and just give her some alone time. Right. So it sounds like I'm being really helpful and nice, but I'm really getting back at Marcia for making me angry. And so I learned that I had all of these socially acceptable ways of letting my anger leak out unhealthily. And by understanding that, by seeing it clearly, the awareness, the awareness alone reduced my reliance on those expressions of anger.
[00:18:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I completely relate. And that is the. You know, I always feel so grateful that I do have my art and I do have a vehicle to appropriately express my rage and my anger.
[00:18:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:25] Speaker B: Because a lot of people don't have act. Well, they don't have access to it, but they just don't even think about it. Right?
[00:18:31] Speaker A: Yeah. No. So I wonder, since you've, since this is really kind of your, your key space, other than this very primary level of using art therapeutically to express what's inside, how else do you think listeners can channel their creativity in a healing way? Do you have any advice or experiences or suggestions?
[00:19:00] Speaker B: Well, I feel like the best healing comes with, to your point, with some awareness, right. Just some sort of awareness that something is amiss, something is not quite right.
And maybe your listeners don't feel like they want to go straight into buying canvases and buying paints.
You know, like, they don't want to waste money or what. You know, they don't know what they're, quote, know what they're doing. But I would say that one of the things that's helped me tremendously, and I also teach other artists, is to get a journal. And within that journal, maybe people are like, well, I don't like to write. It was like, that's okay. We are, this is, this is great news, but get a journal that has some thicker paper that can hold some wet media. Right?
[00:19:57] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: Get a journal and get some, I don't know if it's colored pencils or if it's a Sharpie or if it's charcoal or whatever crayon, whatever you have in your house. If you've got paints, fine. But get into that journal and see if you can express something that feels true and honestly. So here's an example. So let's say you are feeling really low and you're really feeling quite down. Then it's not going to feel so great to just go in and you get early into the, you know, scratching into the paper or to, you know, get really, really angry with the paper. So start with where you are, and maybe you start with a pencil or our crayon, and you just start drawing, you know, loop de loops, and you just start putting and you stay in that, and you just convey on the paper some way of what you are feeling on the inside. Sometimes it's helpful if you choose a color that you feel like resonates with you. Maybe it's an angry red or maybe it's black or whatever that is. Try your best to convey what you're feeling on the inside. So there was a book written called Burnout by the Ngoski sisters.
One of the sisters is a PhD, is a psychologist. The other was a dean, I think, of music at Yale. I may have that wrong, but one was a creative, quote, creative. We're all creative. And the other was a doctor. Anyway, one of them ended up in the hospital, burned out physically, done stressed, like, couldn't go anymore. And so they wrote this book, burnout, because what they realize is there are seven ways that we can process emotion, and they realize that stress has a three part cycle. The first part of the cycle is the incident or the trauma or whatever it might be that causes the stress. So that's the first part of the cycle. The second part of the stress cycle is it gets into our bodies.
Right. That rage, that whatever that is, it's in our body.
[00:22:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:21] Speaker B: The third part of the cycle is we move it out.
[00:22:24] Speaker A: Okay?
[00:22:25] Speaker B: So if we don't move it out, it sticks in our bodies. It becomes addiction. It becomes, you know, whatever. It becomes disease. It becomes whatever it might be. And. But the great news is that of those seven things, they realized that could move stress through your body and out, one of them is creativity.
So, if.
And I mentioned this because the others are like, one of them is crying. Well, sometimes you just don't even have that right. You're so apathetic to life, you don't even have that. Another one is exercise. Well, who the hell wants to go exercise if you don't even want to get up off the sofa right there? There are several ways, but creativity is one of them. So just start. I would always say start with a journal. Start with any kind of creative things you have on hand.
[00:23:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: And just start.
[00:23:16] Speaker A: That's beautiful. I like that. I like the idea of having a journal, you know? I mean, most of us probably have a journal that was gifted to us at some point, or we picked up at a conference, and we've never used it, and it's just an empty, nice book that we were like, well, I can't throw this away, but I don't know what I'm gonna do with it, you know?
[00:23:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:30] Speaker A: Or there's a leftover spiral notebook that I never use somewhere. There you go.
[00:23:35] Speaker B: Right, right. And I often hear, well, I don't want to write. I don't like to write. You know, I'm not a writer. I'm like, okay, you don't have to write in the journal. You can do whatever you want in the journal.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. You know, one of the first.
One of the first spiritual exercises that I was asked to do when someone I really looked up to spiritually I didn't know how to build a relationship with, let's say, a God of my understanding. I didn't know what that meant. I didn't believe in an entitized deity. Like, I didn't think I was being taken care of by anything. I just felt like, you know, my idea of God was just the power of the universe. Like, and just the power of the universe.
[00:24:19] Speaker B: Like, that's not just, that's all it is, just the power of the universe.
[00:24:25] Speaker A: So I started listening to podcasts, and there was this woman who had a spirituality podcast, and she said, I challenge you to draw God.
And I'm like, I'm like, that's nonsense. Hop, hop. Like, what? I'm not gonna draw God. Like, that's ridiculous. And she went on to talk about the many ways that that exercise could take shape, whether it's, you know, nature or whether it's just abstraction, colors, shapes, whether it's just, you know, feelings that come out or whether it's, know, scenery or whatever it might be.
And so this idea of having stuff inside and letting it seep out through my creative power feels like that feels really true to me. It feels. It feels like a beautiful way to just open the door to healing and growth and, you know, I don't know, maybe even self compassion.
[00:25:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. You know what I love? I love a lot about that story, but one of the things I love about that story does it ties back to kind of how we view ourselves and we're younger versus how we view ourselves older. So this person asks you, you know, to convey God, right? Or. And so there's, have you ever heard this story about a small child? And they. It was, it was an art class, and the art teacher came over, or the teacher came over, and this child had, had drawn a picture, and the teacher said, you know, you know, who is that? And the child said, it's God. And the teacher said, oh, sweetie, no one knows what God looks like. And the student says, they do.
[00:26:16] Speaker A: Now, I think I came along.
Oh, my God.
[00:26:27] Speaker B: But versus that beginner's mind, that just kind of, you know, the wisdom of a child versus when we're older, we're closed off, and we're like, that doesn't exist.
[00:26:38] Speaker A: Oh, my God, that's amazing. Oh, I love that. You know, I wonder, you have worked with thousands of artists, and what does that mean? Like, in my mind, I'm imagining that you help artists establish structures to be able to, I don't know, make a living or to become art. Art preneurs I think is the word. But I don't know, maybe I misinterpreted that. Do you, what do you do when you say you work with artists?
[00:27:12] Speaker B: Thank you for that question, because there are several, you know, we're all multifaceted. And before I became an artist, I had done, I had, I was an entrepreneur, so I had done many different things. And when I started painting, I, they accidentally started selling.
And when that started happening, I know, I know when that started happening, I thought, well, I'm just going to turn this into a business because I had done it so many other times. And lucky for me, because I, I didn't tell anybody as a child I wanted to be an artist, or even in college or university, no one told me, you better have a plan b. Nobody told me about the starving artists thing. I hadn't been indoctrinated into that scarcity mindset of being an artist. He had been an entrepreneur and had done really well. So I just thought, okay, well, here's just another entrepreneurial thing to do. And I applied those entrepreneurial skills to my art and it made it a thriving business.
[00:28:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: So now, later, you know, fast forward. Now, I've been doing this over 20 years, but in the last, probably last five years, I have been helping artists around the world turn teaching them those skills that I use and turn their business into an art business. Not everybody wants to do that. That's totally fine, but if they want that, that's one facet of my business. And then the other facet of my business is I also help people express. I coined a term, honest art. I help people create their own honest art and turn it into art that they're really proud of. So I have online courses, I have workshops, I teach workshops here in the US and other places internationally.
So either through artists taking my courses and working with them through there, or like right now, I'm hosting a boot camp and I've got artists from everywhere that are. But we're online together twice a week for six weeks. So over all of this time, I've been lucky enough to work literally with thousands of artists and helping them either to grow their business or it's not, or, and, or some people need more support with making stronger art or their business or both.
[00:29:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, great. That's amazing because it really feels the idea of taking my creativity and turning it into a revenue stream can. I mean, for me, I don't mean to imply that it would feel like this way for everyone, but, gosh, it just, like, feels overwhelming. It just feels, like, too big for me. And so I love that you, you're like that child who was like, well, good thing I came along because I did it right. Like, it's, like, it's only, you believe it's hard. You know what I mean? Like, it's only, it's only. No, it's probably hard to. It's only impossible if you believe it's impossible, you know, otherwise just go.
[00:30:30] Speaker B: Absolutely. And let me tell you, one of the best benefits of having worked with thousands of artists is that I have seen so many incredible, successful artists. Like, I've seen it really work, and artists, like, make bank doing really well. And so what that does is it reinforces, you know, they say if you can, you have to believe it before you can see it. Right. Or, you know, and other people say, you have to see it to believe it. I think to your point, you have to believe it before you can see it, because running any business, you know, there's some ups and downs. And so you're really going to believe this is possible. So one of the great things is that I see in real time with real artists how possible it is. It just reinforces that this is so doable.
[00:31:16] Speaker A: Yes. And I imagine. Oh, go ahead.
[00:31:19] Speaker B: Well, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I was going to say, but a lot of, a lot of people are afraid to do it because they are worried that their creative passion will turn into a business and then it will lose some of the allure that it has for them because now it's a business and now it's not loudest fun anymore. Right. And so to that, I say you're going to have to choose your hard.
Right. So it's, it, it's going to come with some struggles if you turn it into a business. Right. You're going to have to learn how to block your time, to reserve your creativity.
That's going to come with some hard, or you can do the hard of not following your passion and following what you feel called to do. That's right. And living with that the rest of your life. So choose your heart. It's going to be hard either way.
[00:32:13] Speaker A: That's right. That's right. And, you know, earlier in my life, I would have, I would have just been baffled by the idea of how does someone just start making a living from their creativity. Now that I'm a coach and I work with people, like, I know that there's a million different ways and not every, like, I don't need to go mortgage the house to open a gallery like that's not. There are many, many, many goals that I can set, and I can set a three, five, or ten year plan. I can keep my day job for the next five years and transition slowly to this other path. I can just work online.
There's a lot of ways, and I imagine people don't know. You've had the luxury of seeing all the different iterations of what it might mean to support yourself from your creativity. And I imagine that's a valuable service for people who are just overwhelmed by the idea.
[00:33:22] Speaker B: Yes, I am very grateful for that. And to your point, what one artist does in their path to creating a business does not have to be what another artist does. You can just tailor it to what feels right for you. Some artists want to participate in art fairs, and they want whatever that looks like other artists like, no, I'm not into that. I don't want to travel. I don't want to set up, I don't want to, you know, another artist might be, you know what? I want to really get into licensing. I want to be able to license my art, like, absolutely. But another artist will have no interest in it. So it can look different for everyone. And if anyone tells you do this only that's, that's b's, you know, you do what you run. Exactly. Run.
[00:34:08] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Great. So as we kind of come to the, you know, the ending part of the episode today, who have been the spiritual guides and the teachers that have most impacted you on your journey?
[00:34:26] Speaker B: Well, I was a, you know, as a kid growing up in the south, you really can't get away from JC. I mean, Jesus is everywhere. And so I, I very much attribute a lot of his teachings to, to my life. And I think, I wouldn't say this is going to probably make some people mad, but I wouldn't class myself as Christian. I would class myself as a follower of the teachings of Jesus. Yeah, because he was all about love. And in fact, I have, I did a piece, a painting with him, and on it I wrote, I literally gave you one job.
[00:35:12] Speaker A: There's that text you were looking to, like, drive home the impact.
[00:35:16] Speaker B: Exactly. And I also wrote, don't make me come down there. Yeah, but for sure, Jesus is one. But as I have aged and grown in my spiritual journey, I feel like so many teachers are available to me. I love the work of Doctor Wayne Dyer.
[00:35:40] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:35:41] Speaker B: I also, you know, love. Is it Doctor Beckwith? David Beckwith. He has the agape church in California. But I also feel like some of my greatest spiritual teachers of all time were my two daughters.
[00:35:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:35:59] Speaker B: So, you know, I. I wouldn't have the spiritual growth or the personal growth that I have now without them. So it can look different for everyone.
[00:36:10] Speaker A: You know, every once in a while, I like to ask some rapid fire questions at the end of an episode. Are you okay if I. Let's go some at you.
[00:36:19] Speaker B: I think if you're okay, if you're okay, if you don't know what's gonna.
[00:36:23] Speaker A: Come out of my mouth, listen, it's gonna be an adventure for both of us. Okay? So. Oh, well, now that I hear that you have two daughters, I don't know how you're going to answer this one, so we're just going to throw you to the wolves.
Who's your favorite person?
[00:36:42] Speaker B: Me. I love it.
[00:36:44] Speaker A: I love it. That's perfect.
[00:36:46] Speaker B: I've done a lot of work to be able to say that, by the way.
[00:36:49] Speaker A: Yes. Yes. That is not ego. That is just love. Yes. How do you relax?
[00:36:56] Speaker B: Oh, I relax with meditation, primarily. And reading.
[00:37:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Where do you see God?
[00:37:05] Speaker B: Everywhere.
[00:37:07] Speaker A: What brings you joy?
[00:37:12] Speaker B: Being with my daughters, being with people. Being with my favorite people. Great sex. All of those.
Yeah.
[00:37:21] Speaker A: I was going to say that first.
[00:37:22] Speaker B: But I thought I.
[00:37:23] Speaker A: No, you know what? We already. We already didn't call your daughters your favorite people, so we needed to. We needed to throw.
[00:37:30] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:37:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Where do you find Grace?
[00:37:34] Speaker B: Oh, if I'm being honest, I wish I found it more within myself.
But recently, I've been finding Grace.
I've been taking the tools that I teach in my workshop, and I am working with the unhoused community and teaching them the same skills. There's an organization called Art from the streets that helps them, gives them a space, and I like working with them and that. Wow.
Nothing is more humbling. So I find a lot of grace in that with them. Amazing grace with them.
[00:38:12] Speaker A: And lastly, what do you know for sure?
[00:38:17] Speaker B: Well, the older I get, I feel like the things that I knew for sure when I was younger don't apply. But I do believe that I know for sure that I am a spark of the creator. And because of that, I cannot help be. But to be love.
[00:38:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
That, I think, is unwavering. I can't imagine that that would be something I would never be sure of now that I am.
[00:38:56] Speaker A: That's the stuff right there. Yeah. That's great. If listeners want to reach out to you to learn more about how you might be able to help them on their creative journey or just want to know more about you. What would you recommend?
[00:39:08] Speaker B: Well, I would say I'm super crazy active on Instagram. And so they could find me on Instagram. Jodi j o d I e king. Or they could go to my website and check that out. And I do, like I said, I teach programs and workshops. I'll be in Italy. I don't know when this comes out. I'll be teaching in Italy in June. Love to meet you and have you join me there. And then in October, I have a memoir coming out called Messy, and that'll be out in October. So you could look for that. But yeah, join me on social. Join my, you know, check out my website.
[00:39:43] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: Oh my gosh. I have a podcast called the Honest called the Honest art podcast.
[00:39:49] Speaker A: Yeah, talk about it.
[00:39:51] Speaker B: So, well, it's where I talk about a lot of these things. And I share a lot of business skills, creative tips, business skills, stories, a lot of personal stories. So the honest art podcast.
[00:40:06] Speaker A: The honest art podcast.
[00:40:08] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:40:09] Speaker A: Great. And your website is jodyking.com. j o dash.
All one word.
[00:40:15] Speaker B: Yes. Thank you.
[00:40:16] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Jody, thank you so much for joining me today. What a, this was just kind of a, I don't know, it was kind of a nourishing conversation. I just feel, I feel a little bit brighter afterwards.
[00:40:27] Speaker B: I'm so glad. I'm so glad. And just thanks to your listeners, and I would love to connect with them again.
[00:40:33] Speaker A: All right, everyone, thank you so much for tuning into refractive. It's always a joy to share this with you. And as you go out into the world and find all kinds of people just doing the best they can, remember to aim your light. Take care.
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